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. it could mean a shut down at the fbi, prisons might have to stop operating, courts would, of course, close. it would mean chaos, but that seems to be what they want, i guess, chaos, which i guess they'll then somehow use as leverage. is that right? >> well, apparently that is their argument. i think the problem is we've seen this movie before. it happened under gingrich's watch when clinton was president. it certainly didn't rebound to gingrich's favor. it ended up helping clinton. his poll numbers went up, and i imagine that the same thing would happen with obama. and, of course, there would be this attendant impact on the economy and attendant impact on people getting their government benefits and all sorts of things. so, again, i think the republican party talks about refashioning and rebranding and i think one of the ideas is to look at reagan. they always talk about reagan, but if you look at some of the things reagan actually did around immigration reform, for instance, this isn't a party that so far is will to do that and embrace some of those parts of reagan's legacy. >> steve, we
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